Podcast

Welcome to our Agile Tales as we continue our conversations with Rich Sheridan, founder, CEO, and chief storyteller at Menlo Innovations.Aside from founding and leading Menlo Innovations, Rich is also the author of the best-selling books Joy Inc. and Chief Joy Officer, which argue that joy is essential to productivity and profitability in the workplace. Rich recounts his journey from early programming success and a rapid rise to VP to feeling despondent amid chaotic, late, over-budget software delivery, which sparked a search for better ways to organize people. In this episode, Rich argues that scaling requires adaptation and that large organizations are effectively collections of smaller teams, best changed through experiments rather than mandates, citing Nationwide’s adoption of Menlo-inspired practices. He explains why Menlo has remained around 50 people, noting financial constraints without investors or debt, and the need to grow responsibly without harming culture, while adding leadership and managerial processes after consecutive strong years. He contrasts “default culture,” which emerges from tolerated behaviors and often becomes complaint-driven, with “intentional culture,” reinforced through storytelling and embedded in HR practices. He critiques hero-based organizations as burnout-prone and sustained by recognition rewards, and describes changing manager behavior by replacing those rewards and breaking learned leadership patterns.00:00 Welcome to Our Agile Tales?01:40 Can Joy Scale?04:02 Growing Past Fifty07:21 Default Versus Intentional Culture08:30 Stories That Shape Culture13:28 Hero Cultures Explained17:23 Pressure Reveals Values22:28 Changing Hero Rewards26:40 Why Managers Repeat Hero-based Patterns28:06 Rich's Turning Point30:08 Closing And Next TimeAbout Rich SheridanRich Sheridan is the CEO and Chief Storyteller at Menlo Innovations and the best-selling author of Joy Inc. and Chief Joy Officer. He has spent years traveling across four continents and nearly 20 countries, helping organizations rethink not just how they work but also what it feels like to be part of them. His core message is simple: joy isn’t optional—it’s essential to productivity, profitability, and real team energy.Rich’s ideas have been featured in Forbes, Inc., NPR, and Harvard Business Review. What sets him apart is that he’s been living these principles for over 20 years at Menlo, the company he co-founded in Ann Arbor, Michigan—now known worldwide for its uniquely joyful culture.Follow Rich Sheridan at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/menloprezYou can check out Menlo Innovations' tours and workshops at: https://menloinnovations.com/tours-and-workshopsMusic: https://www.purple-planet.comVisit us at https://www.ouragiletales.com/about